Theos-Talk Archives (June 1999 Message tl00005)

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Well said. Krishnamurti broke the formside which was getting crystalized.
In the hysterical conditions that prevailed when the World Teacher was
expected to make His debut in a predicted way with the apostles appointed
by the TS leadership, he made his now famous Truth is a Pathless Land
speech and made a complete break with all organizations. From then on, it
looks more like terminal illness setting in at old age.

The fundamental message that HPB tried to lay in front of the modern world
cannot be organized because to have an understanding we need to go beyond
the written word - word is not the real thing - and the real thing cannot
be put in words or communicated verbally or in writing.

As for HPB, if she were to magically come back today, she may be able to
join as a formal member and  will be shunned by everyone trained in the
traditional ways. First and foremost would be her lack of formal
scholarship -- she did not pass all the exams and get the titles to follow
her name. Titles are very valued in TS. This is not new. When Besant was
awarded Honorary Doctorate, from then on she used to be called Dr. Besant.

Your msg should make all of us to lay aside our traditional modes of
thinking and traditional values we all hold dear -- external appearances
being very important in the modern world.

...mkr
 

At 06:01 AM 6/1/1999 -0600, you wrote:
Kym ...
 Perhaps the TS was meant to die - all things must that refuse or cannot
 change and adapt.  I personally do not see the death of the TS as a "bad"
 event as any place/group that claims to hog the "Truth" cannot really
 possess "it."
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	Couldn't agree more. I think throughout history exoteric religions have
 always been the "form side" of spirituality, and the esoteric traditions
 have always been the "life side". The form side always focusses on status,
on hierarchy, loves its followers to elevate things like humility into
virtues, and almost always develop leaderships that believe they understand
a larger sphere of truth than their followers do. Membership in the
leaderships is granted to those that have shown they will behave, and agree
to further the values and mindset of the leaders. Often some sort of status
in the social world is considered important.

But the virtues required for the form side are not only not the same, but
sometimes even in direct opposition to those required to actually make the
quest of the life side. The path itself requires people to virtually
continually shatter forms - their own notions of what life is, what they
are, must be considered to be completely open to destruction. Any ego, any
belief, must be open to question, and ready at a moment's notice to be
sacrificed. The life side is deeply personal, and can never be
organizational - it is that quest to find one's own deepest demons, root
them out, and defeat them; it is the effort of discovering all of the latent
energies and talents still dormant in most, drawing them out into full
expression, placing them at the service of of others. It is not for those
that like comfort.

The TS, through HPB, showed a brief glimpse of what that inner world of
people pursuing the life side looked like - but the current TS has virtually
nothing at all to do with that - its become as calcified as the Catholic
church, and its leadership nothing but similar ... in its underlying
patterns ... of any one of hundreds of other minor religions and cults
currently circulating on earth. HPB - who was chosen by the Adepts -
possesses none of what the *current* TS Leadersip priviledges as leadership
qualifications. She was wild. Continually kinetic. Pretty much upset any
applecart she came anywhere close to. Were she to incarnate again, she would
not stand a *chance* of actually becoming a TS Board Member, let alone a
President. In fact, the current ruling clique would likely find such a
personality a powerful threat - and would make sure she was frozen out of
any election.

But the life side is always there to those with the guts to make the
quest. -JRC