Theos-Talk Archives (May 1997 Message tl00180)

At 03:48 PM 5/16/97 -0400, Romero Cortez D.Ma wrote:
>Hello friends
>I really don't like to start letters without a "Hello" "How are you?"
>because as pepole we are, is nice first to talk, and salute ourselves,
>not for a matter of hypocrisy but more for a dearest matter of
>friendship, i like to talk, as Bilbo Baggins would like to do, with
>friends, in a cozy place, in an England-country type place, with forests
>and little grassy hills and lakes, beside the chimeney and eating pastry
>and drinking chocolate.that's the way i imagine sometimes friends like
>you would gather together to talk of this important subjects.
>I will try to be short.

Hello Romero:

   I agree with you. It is so easy to start with some nice salutation.
   Usually when I write to other members of the TS, I always salute with
Dear Brother. There are Theosophists  who will address you as Dear Brother,
only if you agree with them. The moment you do not toe their line or
philosophy or politics or their objectives and you object to anything they
say or do, they don't think addressing as Dear Brother as being proper.



>SUBJECTS: YOUNG PEPOLE, CORRUPTION AND HELLO TO ALAN AND ALL.
>a)
>> 2.  The younger generation is usually physically strong and vigorous,
>> mentally curious, and emotionally intense.  Thus, the younger generation
>> would be more attracted to experience that will touch on all of those
>> aspects.   That is the natural process of development.
>
>> 3.  The T.S. is not very attractive to the younger generation.  The
>> focusing on the Why leads the T.S. to focus mostly on publication,
>> lectures, and study groups...ZZZZZ...and one wonders why people are
>> apathetic.  It is easier to read books and log on the internet, and then
>> go out and have a roaring good time!  Why join the T.S.?  ;o)
>
>Thoa said it. yep.I agree with that. is the first time i do quotations,
>because now i'm using Netscape mail system.
>I taught it was very important, that's why i put it there. as young
>woman as i am (25) I sometimes get in the same feeling, i like better
>hanging with my friends in Mexicali or sometimes here, than being
>stuffed in some boring church with some boring pepole (even young pepole
>as i:they take too much seriously) that goes also to some organizations
>as Masons, Rotary,new age groups and of course the T.S. is not the old
>pepole the problem, some old pepole are more young of mind that some 30
>or 40s pepole, the problem is that, the old taughts of the pepole.
>I read almost every digest back, since i got sick, but they were so
>many, that i skip the last ones (theos digest '17-19) i read the very
>latest,though. (digests '20-22) I follow the discussions, and i find it
>some very important. is not important who's leader, but the freshness of
>the mind, that, curiosity, it cristalizes in youth.remember Gandhi.

   There is a very famous saying which says "Catch Them Young". It is the
young when fired with idealism can carry us far.

   During my early days with Theosophy, in most of the lodges one of the
most frequent and popular subject was Life After Death. I can understand it
because there were quite a few members who were in their 50s and 60s who
were very interested in it. What was missing was a focus and direction
during the time we are alive and not concentrate on what is going to happen
after we are dead. For the living people with whom we interact and affect,
it is far more important what we do when we are alive and not what we will
do when we are dead.


  Back to the focus on the young, here in the USA, Theosophical Society has
a program called "Elder Hostel" where mostly retired Senior Citizens come
and attend I believe a week long program at the National Headquarters. I
think it would do some good to the attendees. But I thing we need "Younger
Hostel" -- may be 10 of them for each one of the Elder Hostels so that we
can "Catch them Young".

  In addition, I think it would be a good idea for each National Section to
have a couple of members selected/elected/appointed to the Board of
Directors who are young -- say 25 years or less so that the perspective of
the young can be brought to the attention of the older members of the Board
of Directors. It is going to be very difficult for an old man or woman to
think like a young man or woman. While in worldly matters, experience and
grey hair is equated to worldly wisdom, in spiritual matters age should
neither be an advantage nor a handicap. Just my ideas, however crazy it may
be to others.

>
>b)
>The very important points of the discussion keeped between MKRamadoss
>and Doc Bain (can i call you 'Doc'? is a cute nickname, like Bugs' would
>say: What's up 'Doc?) Is very alarming and confirms something that i
>suspected that also would happen here in the T.S.: the corruption (i do
>not know other word to say it) of some pepole involved in the T.S. (I'm
>reffering to the case of the Krishnamurti-Land-Money-trusts-etc; is too
>long long to quote, and too many blabla that i will skip it)
>I do not belong to any T.S. "Lodge" (I don't like the use of the name
>"logde" it remains me to the Masonic lodge) or also a group of study or
>the T.I. i sometimes like to remain free of tights. but i do think
>Theosophy has the solution of many problems, the problem is that we
>pepole, because we have some problems,of many years of karma acumulated,
>we as humans have errors, so then Theosophy don't work as good as should
>do. but i do not worry of that: the problem, as always, are the leaders
>that crave for power, or worse,the false leaders that say that they are
>some way but act of other ways (In Mexico is very common that attitude
>of hypocrisy on so called "New age" pepole:they have good car, good job,
>go to yoga, go to meet tibetan monks, eat veggetarian food,and treat
>nasty to the poor peasant -i'm not shure, but you call in english
>"pheasant" to the native pepole?- boys that clean windows of the cars
>and sell bubble gum to survive....'that makes me very angry!!' (space
>for Thoa gets mad of the terrible fact and also laughs of the
>remminisance to the martian guy in Looney toons-I'M A VERY SERIOUS
>PERSON:TRUST ME)
>I use to call those nasty pepole "New age yuppies" hahahaha :-P
>Just remember that late 60's song: it says it all:
>

   Well said. The moment you are not sensitive to the downtrodden and poor,
that is the beginning of the problem. Sooner or later, the problems of the
poor is going to affect all of us and we may pay a very high price in the
long run.


>
>"How can pepole be so heartless
>How can pepole be so cruel
>Easy to be hard
>Easy to say no
>How can pepole have no feelings
>How can they ignore there friends
>Easy to be hard
>Easy to say no
>Speccialy pepole who care about strangers
>Who care about pepole and social injustice
>Do you only care, about the media
>How about a needing friend"
>
>EASY TO BE HARD
>
>And remember what Jesus said: by their work you will recognize them.
>So don't worry Doc Bain and Doss!!
>
>c)To "Doc Bain"
>I got to see your homepage this week, because i get to use an
>configurate well this Netscape mail, and i think i will can see pictures
>that friends of mine send me here.the thing was that some girl named
>Joyce send some stuff that was .dat that i could'nt see, and with
>Netscape mail i saw that was some archive 1.2 i do not know what, but
>finnaly i get to know what was all of that list of signs and
>numbers,....even that i still could'nt see what was that.
>Your homepage was very good,Doc.Alan!! you are a brilliant person, and
>very versed!! i get to see many archives and texts and also see your
>picture "thedoc" was it i think? WOW!! you are more thin and elder that
>i would expected, but i did'nt inmagine you had so long hair!!
>And i think i dream of you the past wenesday WOW!! cool!! I took the
>liberty of downloading some texts of you there, (i still haven't read
>them) and the very important letter of someone i forgot the name, but i
>think it was the most certain letter that i have read of Theosophy in
>modern times "Politicaly correct Theosophy?"


>I think he has got the point more certain that some pepole.
>T.S has to be always at side of the good guys, even that sometimes the
>good guys are in very different bands (Feminism,Ecologism, etc etc etc)
>and even then are many fanatics. Theosophy , knowing the point of the'
>problem, has to deal with that, and orient these person that sometimes
>get close to Theosophy ,and even if not, get close to them, to orient
>them, in the correct path.
>I think is all of so blablabla (sorry:i said i wouldn't last so much)
>Estrella
>P.S. Doc Alan, don't get mad if i call you Doc: is just that i couldn't
>stand so seriously and call you the complete name: is too solemmn! and,
>sorry, it some makes me sometimes laugh! hahahaha sorry.
>A good salute here to pepole i know post like my friends Liesel, MK
>Doss, Thoa, you Doc Bain,Lynn, Kym (thanks) and to the new pepole here.
>bye ora si.
>

Exposure to Theosophy does indeed affect the person. "Theosophists" tend to
see the broader problems with an objective perspective coupled with the
welfare of the human beings. That helps the individual and everyone who
comes into contact with them.

..doss