Theos-Talk Archives (October 1996 Message tl00086)

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> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 19:58:41 +1000
> From: "Maurice de Montaine" <mauriced@hba.trumpet.com.au>
> To: theos-l@vnet.net
> Subject: Re: AC
> Message-ID: <199610060852.AA25700@vnet.net>
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> On  5 Oct 96 at 16:51, Robert Word wrote:
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> > Did this happen in a previous incarnation, or after he was expelled
> > from the Golden Dawn (A.O. jurisdiction) by Mathers in 1905? or at
> > another time?  Kindly inform us, good Sir.
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>      In the same incarnation.
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> > Or was Crowley actually original here?
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>      He never was original.


Then who else used the term "Beast" or "Beast 666"?  Are you referring
to the Ceaser Nero here?

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> > I beg to differ with you here, Monsieur Maurice.  These are
> > technical terms in Tantric Hinduism; vamachara refers to Tantric
> > ceremonies in which the 5 M's (including wine, which is widely used
> > in other religions, such as Judaism) are literally partaken of.
> > Dakshinachara refers to Tantric ceremonies in which substitutes
> > (whether physical or meditative) for the 5 M's (kind of like
> > Baptists using grape fruit juice instead of wine at communion) are
> > used.  These terms definitely do not refer to the "right hand path"
> > and "left hand path" in the theosophical sense that you are
> > positing.  Ask any scholar of Tantric Hinduism.
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>      In the highest and most esoteric sense as distinct from the
> perverted sense, my brother, that which I stated in respect to these
> terms is correct.
>

Perhaps, although I don't think my college professor in non-western
religions would have agreed with you.  But I shall leave such
contentions to the scholars among us.


> > I believe that your statements are rather misleading here, Maurice.
> > Crowley was given a clandestine (unrecognized) 33rd degree in
> > Mexico. The regular Ancient and Accepted Rite in england never
> > recognized this, and Crowley was never expelled.  Crowley ultimately
> > joined a blue lodge in France, Anglo-Saxon Lodge, working under the
> > Grand Lodge of France (this jurisiction of masonry was never
> > recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England, and Crowley himself
> > was never recognized as a Mason by the United Grand Lodge of
> > England). However, Crowley was admitted to some High-Grade rites in
> > England; he was made a 95th degree of the Ancient and Primitive Rite
> > under John Yarker in England.  (John Yarker had made one HP
> > Blavatsky also an adoptive member of this Rite.  Thus, in the
> > Ancient and Primitive Rite, Aleister Crowley and Helena Blavatsky
> > were Lodge Brother and Sister).
>
>      There is no misleading information in that which I said anent
> Crowley's Masonic affiliation. Since I possess a  photographic
> facsimile of his Masonic diploma and the official letter of his
> expulsion, I honestly wonder at where you are getting your
> information. It is definitely the Ancient and Accepted Rite. If you
> choose to disagree with his Masonic diploma and the official letter
> from the Grand Secretary General of the Supreme Council 33rd Degree
> of London, then that is entirely up to you. The letter of expulsion
> includes that of Yarker as well.

Indeed.  I understand that John Yarker was expelled from the regular
Ancient and Accepted Rite in England because he had accepted a 33rd
degree from the (unrecognized) Cerneau Schottish Rite in the U.S.

But the case of Crowley, I find difficult to understand.  As a member
of Anglo Saxon Lodge under Grand Loge de France, he could never
have been admitted to the regular (i.e. recognized) Ancient and Accepted
Rite in England.  Are you sure that the letter of expulsion emanates
from the Regular Body?

Also, do you admit that Crowley was never at any time a member of
a recognized Blue Lodge (i.e., in this context, one recognized by
the United Grand Lodge of England)?



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