Theos-Talk Archives (April 1996 Message tl00067)

Chuck,

My reason for mentioning Harry was exactly what you're talking about, he did
things in ways which can't be proven scientifically, even though they made
sense to him.

As for your statement "In science what will work for 1 will work for all" is
dated. We now know that the experimenter influences the outcome of the
experiment. One example they like to talk about is that if you decide a
particle is matter, then that's what you perceive, if you decide it's vibes,
that's what you perceive. On another plane, I've read of a school system
where one teacher was told she had slow learners, & another teacher, with
the same kinds of kids was told she had fast learners. Each class lived up
to the expectations of the teacher.

Liesel
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>Liesel,
>If by Harry, you mean Harry Van Gelder, he used radionics to determine the
>vibrations he was working with and from the way you describe it he was
>following an older method of determining the healing rate.
>We now know that such rates are anything but objective, in the sense that the
>appendix tends to be in the same place for just about everyone, but that the
>use of his instruments is almost totally dependent upon the mind of the
>operator.
>The problem is that the scientific method gets a little confused when you
>work in such areas.  It is very difficult to test an hypothesis when every
>hypothesis will work for someone but not for everyone.
>The difference between science a magick seems to come down to this:  In
>science, not everything will work, but what will work for one will work for
>all.  Example, a rock will fall at the same rate of velocity no matter who
>drops it.  In magick, every method will bring results for some operators, but
>not all operators will be able to use every method and the results will
>differ with each one.  Example, I may be able to use my instruments to cause
>a person to, out of nowhere, desire to offer me a certain book.  Jerry may
>not be able to get that, but his enochian angels may be persuaded to do it
>for him.
>Funny psionics story that Jerry Scheuler will remember.
>At the 1987 American Booksellers' Association convention, we were both there
>hawking our books for LLewellyn.  Carl Weschke decided that I should use my
>equipment to get Shirley McLaine to come to our booth and endorse his
>products.  I was a little uncomfortable with that as I had made a little joke
>in my book about brainless movie stars but after much pleading I was
>persuaded and did the work.  Well, we did not get Shirley, but we had at
>least 15 red-headed women come into the booth in the space of a half-hour.
>
>Chuck the Barbarian MTI, FTSA
>Heretic
>Troublemaker
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