Theos-Talk Archives (November 1999 Message tl00206)

Nov 17th

Dar Randy:

No one is trying to frustrate you.  You ask a bunch of questions
now for some weeks - have you take a census of the replies?  what
have you learned about Theosophy?  What do you agree with, and
what do you not agree with.  What are your reasons for the
latter?  if you are able to set these down, they can be dealt
with seriatim.  Try.

Again In my esteem, you are accelerating.  slow down.

Theosophy is really very simple, and there are not a lot of
basics -- to demonstrate that they are around is what has taken
time to record so the details will satisfy inquirers like you,
and from all parts of the 'world, not merely America or the
"West."

1.  Universality of SOURCE, SPIRIT, LIFE and LIVING BEINGS
filling all SPACE.  This Universe and World are all one vast
UNITY.  Or to be paradoxical  it is UNITY in DIVERSITY.  HOW and
WHY are the questions to be investigated -- also, HOW IS IT
GETTING ALONG ?

2.  LAWS rule everything.  They are MORAL -- the strong have to
protect the weak.  Or they get clobbered by Karma, sooner or
later.  Every being has a right to live.  Since we all come from
the same ONE SOURCE we are brothers in essence, like it or not.

3.  The CONSCIOUSNESS and the INTELLIGENCE of each BEING is
immortal and cannot be destroyed, even if it physical form is
temporarily vaporized or killed in some way.  It comes back or is
re-embodied eventually -- Humans reincarnate.  But in humans the
"personality" (which is the mix of CONSCIOUSNESS and actual
living in a specific body for a time) changes.  The inner Being
that is AWARENESS never dies.  Hermes expressed this"  "A stone
becomes a plant, then an animal, then a Man, and the man develops
into a God -- never has any transformation demeaned or destroyed
him."

4.  The STRONG should protect the WEAK.  The LAWS OF NATURE are
fair and just and impartial, and work all the time.  Human law is
an attempt to copy those fundamental laws -- of Karma.

5.  The goal of perfection is one that is potential for all
beings -- each "immortal" strives for that life after life --
the "atom" seeks to become the Universe.  The second seeks to
become duration -- eternity.  Ignorance seeks to develop into
Wisdom.  In all cases there is an awareness to one's self and a
striving to improve.

6.  Immortality starts with the "Life-atom" which is also named a
MONAD  (Unit) .

It is a Being and consists of the combined duality of
SPIRIT/MATTER.  With each such MONAD is associate a "ray" of
primordial INTELLIGENCE, consciousness.

And eventually when it reaches the HUMAN STAGE it is endowed (by
Mind-beings as its "parents") with an independent Self-Conscious
MIND.  This individual MIND of ours reflects the UNIVERSAL MIND.
There are no limits to its horizons.  Death is only an
interruption its majestic progress.  We are all at this stage .
Hermes said:  "May know thyself."  and that's our present job.

7.  Everything is a learning experience, and the development of
our own mental perceptions leads to discrimination and to
wisdom -- which is a combination of thought and ethics -- again
the "protection of all others" is an essential , as they protect
us.  THE GOLDEN RULE is a basic in all Nature.  It is BROTHERHOOD
in application.

8.  Nature is a cooperative, or nothing could exist.   Heat, air,
water, food all combine to give us a body in which our Mind
dwells and we do not know how this is done, although we can learn
about it.  Everything can be learned.  Nature has no secrets for
the determined man.

9.  Our future is that of a learner/teacher as we learn to
understand and apply these ideas.  We can transform ourselves
into Professors, Adepts, Buddhas, Rishis, Prajapatis, Dhyan
Chohans, Cosmocratores, yes, even "Gods" etc.. by this process of
learning how and why NATURE works.  Nature contains and is
everything.  All Science, Philosophy and Religion are - are
departments of Nature and studies in her workings and laws.

10.  Wisdom that becomes ours may not be used to dominate,
tyrannize or to compel others.  Nor may it be used for our own
personal "pleasure or leisure."   Or we loose that power pretty
quickly and usually with the most painful of experiences, as our
"personal and selfish motives" (that we are interiorly ashamed of
anyway)  become exposed in their full nastiness to others.

Now that pretty much encompasses all that Theosophy deals with.
The fundamental add-on to what we already know is the idea that
WE CANNOT GET AWAY WITH EVIL THINKING, FEELING AND DOING.  There
is no "Power" which serves to conceal the selfish attitudes that
we can generate.  Evil when simply described is breaking of
nature's laws.  This "breaking" can be through ignorance, or
deliberately (which is a greater degree of EVIL).

Once that is grasped the road to self-improvement is as plain as
the nose on your face (at least to me).

Does this help?

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
> From: WLR7D@aol.com [mailto:WLR7D@aol.com]
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Randy to JRC: tightening the thumbscrews

Ok,I think I get it.  Theosophy is a system of belief and study
requiring
years, decades, millenia to fully understand.  Those who do
finally get it
are content to take the prize and spiritually masturbate with it
in a closet
somewhere.  They have no obligation, nor feel any, to share the
truths with
the rest of humanity.  They will, however, discuss truths with
"initiates"
who will without question, based on a gut feeling,  spend years
learning the
esoterica.  A prerequisite however is that the pupil not have any
of that
nasty western mentality of expecting reason, proof, evidence or
the like.
No, don't raise any questions about the foundations of the
beliefs, or
where-after spending millenia in study-you may be led, just dive
in.  Ya
gotta have faith brother.

DTB	Wrong  every bit of proof is as essential as everything else
and ought to be given.
No BLIND FAITH or BLIND BELIEF is accepted or demanded in
Theosophy.

Theosophy is an exposition of the entire fact of Nature and its
laws and reasons.
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I was led to theosophy because its central theme is that there is
one
universal truth.  Any claim of truth(or segments thereof) puts
the onus on
the advocates to do the provings.  Doesn't seem unreasonable to
me to be
looking for some substance, not just vocabulary.

DTB	I would say there is plenty of substance.  a vocabulary is
one that you have to devise as your appetite for detail grows and
you share with others.
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If all this rubs anyone the wrong way, just ignore my questions
and I'll
eventually go away.  I'm sticking around though til I'm sure that
I've
exhausted all I can reasonably do to find out what gems of truth
may reside
here.

DTB	That's the spirit -- good resolves.  do stick around and take
notes if you will on what is settled and what is not.  The
tabulation will do us all good if you use it for us all to see.
it will also serve to firm up in your own kind what you have
grasped and what I still open-ended.

As to vocabulary -- you have our own way of expressing ideas and
so do we, but they meet, and the meeting is where the
comprehension is generously exchanged.  No one is either superior
or inferior.  We both have to make efforts.

If you wish to learn about Theosophy there are short-cuts that
help.  Reading the 178 pages of the OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY  (by Wm.
Q. JUDGE) would place in your hands the necessary ideas and words
that are used to express that which I outlined above.

As old Hillel said once:  "Do for others that which you would
expect them to do for you.  All the rest is commentary."

Best wishes in the common struggle

Dallas

-----------------------
 Randy

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