Theos-Talk Archives (January 1999 Message tl00068)

Jan 14th 1999

The Swastika is a most ancient symbol - adopted and used by the
Nazis, true - but also they turned it around so that it runs
backward.

The original idea was two crossed sticks set afire and when well
lit they where whirled clockwise, and the trailing flame left the
trailing edges of the fiery cross.

Some references in Theosophical literature:

See THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY p. 315 (its relations to the Masonic,
Jaina, and other crosses)
T. Glos. P. 260 (pramantha - fire created by friction),
T. Glos. P. 28 290 120, 138
See  SD II 29-31, 98-99, 101, 413fn, 556, 585-6,
	S D  I 5, 70, 90-1, 657,

HPB Articles (ULT) Vol. 2, p. 240fn  "Classification of
Principles"  THEOSOPHIST April 1887

	(ditto) Vol. 2, p. 490  "Cross and Fire"  THEOSOPHIST  Nov. 1879

Reference to these may give a view that will help.

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
> From:	owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com
> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com] On Behalf Of Bart
> Lidofsky
> Sent:	Thursday, January 14, 1999 1:49 PM
> To:	theos-talk@theosophy.com
> Subject:	Re: Theos-World AC & HPB

LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:

> >       No more than Theosophy was. Hitler was an equal
opportunity idea
> >twister, and a lot of people were fooled by the early Nazi
party.
>
> That's a new twist.  Are you saying that Theosophy supplied the
justification
> for Hitler's and the Nazi's genocide?  Where did you get that
from?  Or, are
> you also in the same group of propagandists as the other
Crowley lovers, black
> magic justifiers, and HPB detractors?

	Hitler took concepts from many occult groups, and twisted them
based on
his concept of the Germanic peoples being the only true humans,
and the
others of what we term "humanity" are really subhumans, similar
to the
apes. He twisted noble ideas into horrible and evil mockeries of
the
originals. Theosophy was one of the sources of those ideas, as
was the
OTO.

> "Universal Brotherhood" and pure "altruism" in word and deed. .
.  Just the
> opposite of what both Hitler and Crowley preached.

	There were a number of early Nazi supporters in the Theosophical
Society, until the Nazi's showed their true colors.

> Besides, how could the "V" sign be a substitute for the
swastika?

	I didn't say a substitute; I said it was to COUNTERACT the
swastika as
a symbol.

	Bart Lidofsky

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