Theos-Talk Archives (March 1998 Message tl00189)

Thanks for the feedback.

Let us not compare what Aurobindo did or Gandhi did.
They were never accused of any personal criminal activity.

As I said before, as a matter of personal rule of thumb, I do not associate
with any organization which has legal (criminal) problems. This is all the
more so if there are problems in more than one country. This simple rule of
thumb has worked for me for a very long time.

All I can say is I want to share this with subscribers here on this list
who may not know about Sarkar and Ananda Marga.

It is up to them to do their own research and come to their own conclusion.
It is their life. I hope they don't later on regret their decisions.

MKR
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At 08:04 AM 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Monday, March 02, 1998 4:29 AM, theos-l@vnet.net [SMTP:theos-l@vnet.net]
>wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:37:40 -0600
>> From: M K Ramadoss <ramadoss@eden.com>
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>> One of the outstanding records of *all* Theosophical organizations is that
>> there may have been differences of philosophy/approach, *none* of them have
>> ever been involved in any legal troubles, especially criminal ones, in
>> *any* country.
>>
>> Coming with this background, one is troubled about any organization which
>> gets tangled with governments of multiple countries.
>>
>Aurobindo, a great yogi, was accussed of various activities in the fight for
>Indian independence.  He was fighting for Indian independence well before
>Ghandi.
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>Krsna, in the Mahabharata also used the tactic of 'covering over the sun' to
>win the battle.
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>In another sense greatness is revealed in the fight against aggressors.
This is
>common throughout various 'scripture'.
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>See the Ramayana, the great epic. It describes that Shrii Rama with all his
>might waged a war against Ravana, who abducted his wife. Shrii Rama's action
>was in no way against the principle of Ahimsa (non-violence), because he
>invaded Lanka not with a desire to conquer a territory or to cause any harm.
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>See the Mahabharata. Mahapurusa Shrii Krsna had insisted upon the Pandavas
to
>take up arms against the Kaorvas, because the Kaoravas were aggressors
>(Atatayii) who had taken possession of the land by force. None would
accuse the
>very incarnation of love, Shriiman Mahaprabhu, one of the great
revolutionists
>in social and spiritual world, of adopting ways associated with Himsa
(violent
>intent); but he too had pounced like a lion on the tyrant Kazi (Judge). If
>Himsa and use of force were synonymous, Maha-Prabhu, the incarnation of
mercy,
>certainly would not have done so.
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>It is cardinal moral principles that count at all stages.  The law should
>reflect those cardinal moral principles.  Of course, wild civil
disobediance is
>not in society's best interest.
>
>THE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE MOVEMENT
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>      When a rogue elephant becomes violent it does not feel
>hungry, and consequently it may not eat or even drink for
>many days together. In such an abnormal condition, it's over
>heated brain compels it to break all rules and
>regulations....and it even challenges the laws of nature
>themselves.
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>      You know, those who instigate others to break rules
>will always cause bad consequences. Let us take an example.
>A prominent leader of India's struggle for independence
>started a civil disobedience movement against the British to
>attain the political independence of India. Some people
>suggest that the aim of this movement was not to break any
>rules or disobey the law. The aim was to express the truth
>after dispelling the cimmerian darkness. The aim was to
>snatch independence from the clutches of the forces of
>darkness. It was an effort to find the truth.... it was
>satyagraha. However, it makes no difference what name you
>call a rose flower, it is still a rose. Even if you send an
>ordinary rice crushing mill to heaven, it's function is
>still the same. If people have disregard for the law, there
>is every possibility that they will follow the path of
>law-breaking. This very psychology causes people to
>challenges legal statutes, and the result is never good.
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>      Today if people follow in the footsteps of the past,
>they will be led to burn buses and trams which they
>themselves have purchased... they will be led to burn
>governmental and nongovernmental buildings, destroying their
>own hard earned wealth. When people adopt these methods
>today, it is because the psychology of the civil
>disobedience movement of the British time is still working
>-- in other words satyagraha. However, rational people would
>not describe such methods as satyagraha but as duragraha --
>a hand-tool to destroy the society.
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>      Those who hold the communist banner and attack
>helpless people in the name of revolution, losing sight of
>human values under the impetus of their confused, irrational
>philosophy, are goaded by the same type of psychology.
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>      Nature dislikes disobedience or the act of breaking
>the law. As long as legal statutes exist, they must be
>obeyed. If they are found to be harmful or stand in the way
>of the progress of society, or if they hold back the
>forward march of humanity like a serpent entwined around the
>legs of a person, these statutes should be ground into the
>dust and new laws should be enacted and obeyed. Otherwise,
>the law of big fish eating little fish will dominate
>society, and this will harm the interests of both the
>individual and the collective. The civil disobedience
>movement has left behind a chaotic imprint on society.
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>PR Sarkar      11 September 1988, Calcutta Shabda Cayanika, Part
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