Re: Digest 1247
Sep 21, 1997 07:13 PM
by Jaqtarin Samantha Triele
On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> > But personal karma, being much more limited in scope, does not (and often
> >can not). There is an interesting Biblical verse (Genesis 4:9) wherein Cain
> >(because it is very complicated) explanation concerning the interrelationship
> >of personal and group karma except to state that there definitely is one.
> This is intriguing. Would you agree that perhaps collective karma limits
> and governs the operation of personal karma (and probably even the timing
> of it)? In other words, nothing can happen on the level of personal karma
> that is not within what is possible under collective karma. Just a thought.
I remember having a conversation about this with someone on the list many
months ago. I don't remember if anyone agreed on anything, but I have a
few ideas of my own.
I have to agree with Dennis' theory on the existence of both a personal
and collective karma. Collective karma is fairly easy to understand on a
physical level, and a good allegory is: If you are unkind to one person,
they will be more likely to be unkind to others, and those others will do
likewise. On a karmic level, the results of all acts are thrown into a
collective pool, both negative and positive. By results, I mean negative
or positive. Now, I don't believe that karma stores causes. In other
words, collective karma is quite simply a pool of negative and positive
Now one might say, "A negative effect is relative to personal
circumstance". That is where personal karma steps in. As it is now, I
think I can safely say that if such a karmic pool exists, there is a hell
of a lot more negative evergy in it than positive. Even the happiest
do-gooders in the world aren't going to live perfect lives. As I said
many months ago, even Jesus had birdcrap on his shoulder every now and
then, I'm sure. On top of that, Jesus was not a happy man. That didn't
make things any better for him.
I'll do my best to explain my ideas of interrelationship between personal
and collective karma, but I doubt that they will leave anyone without
questions that I cannot answer. If a person has negative feelings at one
point in time, s/he is going to attract negative karma, and because the
collective is so negative in itself, it doesn't take much to attract it.
In this way, the karmic pool is a magnifier of personal energy. But this,
unfortunately isn't always the case. If a person is being positive, it is
very unlikely that s/he will recieve positive influence from the karmic
pool, because of the dwindling of positive energy within it. If s/he does
happen do attract some of that positive energy, s/he could win the
lottery, or find the love of his/her life. But usually, I feel that a
really happy person will have a fairly normal day, perhaps devoid of any
negative influence, as long as the happiness doesn't go away. In this
way, it is possible that s/he is still attracting negative energy, but not
nearly as much, and his/her own personal energy is counteracting the
ugh...I had more to say but I have other things to do...
perhaps I'll finish up later...toodles.
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