Theos-Talk Archives (November 1999 Message tl00227)

Nov 19th 1999

Dear Kym

Butting in on yours to Randy (below)

I think that is well written, clear and I thank you for it.

Sorry about the "bullexcresence" but I guess even those who
offered that meant well.

Truth involves some very straight talk and a good deal of
thinking.

Sheathe the Scorpion's tooth.  Theosophy is a pursuit of wisdom
rather than knowledge when one realizes that it involves
application in addition to intellectual grasp.  either KARMA is
the most real thing in our lives and future or all this is
non-sense, and a lot of mental gymnastics.

best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
> From: kymsmith@micron.net [mailto:kymsmith@micron.net]
> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 6:37 AM
> Subject: Provin' theosophy

Randy wrote:

>Any claim of truth(or segments thereof) puts the onus on
>the advocates to do the provings.  Doesn't seem unreasonable to
me to be
>looking for some substance, not just vocabulary.

Your questions are no different nor less valuable than any other
questions
posed on this list.

One thing I've learned majoring in philosophy and reading
theosophical
texts is that those who claim a particular wisdom are often
really just
gifted in the art of bullshitting.  It was devastating to learn,
but that
insight has fostered both compassion and a sense of equality
among all
people for me.  I can now see the "divine" in everyone in a way I
never
could before - ok, ok, I make use of my Scorpion stinger on
occasion, but I
know when I am doing it.  I no longer feel the need to lie to
myself -
sometimes I simply choose to be an ass and I must accept the
consequences.

If you leave the list, leave because you choose to for your own
reasons.
Any other factor creates karmic and spiritual harm for both you
and
everyone else on this list.  We are all linked - and any harm,
pain,
misunderstanding, joy, wisdom, and insight will be shared by each
of us.
To be a theosophist is to understand and accept a greater
responsibility
for every being and every action.  Having chosen, one cannot go
back -
alas, 'tis some truth in the idiom that "ignorance is bliss."

Choose carefully, Randy.  The journey into theosophy is lonely,
alienating,
and painful - and it's impossible to prove because it is, for
each of us,
completely unique.  We can discuss the theories, but your journey
will be
your own and no other human will ever be able to explain it or
understand
it.  If you look closely into the eyes and words of those who are
"enlightened" you will see that they have understood and accepted
that they
will walk alone.  The "enlightened" beings are not joyful,
ebullient, and
vivacious - they are surrounded by an aura of melancholy.  Hence,
their
frequent seeking of solitude.

You already have the answers within you, Randy.  No one here can
tell you
anything you do not already know - most of the postings on this
list, at
least for me, are moments of the human needing to "come up for
air."  And
that is the way it is supposed to be, I believe - but, answers?
proofs?
No, Randy, they aren't here on this list.

Kym

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