Theos-Talk Archives (January 1999 Message tl00051)

Jan 13th 1999

Dallas offers references on this:

Please see VOICE OF THE SILENCE p. 78-9 footnote.

"The DHARMAKAYA body is that of a complete Buddha, i.e., no body
at all, but an ideal breath;  Consciousness merged in the
Universal Consciousness, or Soul devoid of every attribute.  Once
a Dharmakaya, an Adept or Buddha leaves behind him every possible
relation with or thought for, this earth.  [ also see PRATYEKHA
BUDDHA   VOICE p. 47 footnote ]

Thus to be enabled to help humanity, an Adept who has won the
right to Nirvana, "renounces the DHARMAKAYA body" in mystic
parlance; keeps of the SAMBHOGAKAYA only the great and complete
knowledge, and remains in his NIRMANAKAYA body.

The Esoteric School teaches that Gautama Buddha, with several of
his Arhats, is such a NIRMANAKAYA, higher than whom on account of
the great renunciation and sacrifice for mankind, there is none
known."				VOICE p. 78 FOOTNOTE

In the THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY, refer to GAUTAMA BUDDHA,  BUDDHA,
NIRMANAKAYA, SAMBHOGAKAYA, and DHARMAKAYA, also TRIKAYA.

I hope this serves to clear up some definitions.

We all ought to make it a practice to look up these things on our
own in those wonderful books:  SECRET DOCTRINE,  ISIS UNVEILED,
KEY TO THEOSOPHY, VOICE OF THE SILENCE and the THEOSOPHICAL
GLOSSARY.  The major works all have INDEXES and those enable s to
trace references which we can each assemble for accuracy and a
deepened understanding.  In the study of Occultism and all tools
available ought to be used.  Our "initiation" depends on the work
that WE do.  It is not a gift.  It is self-evolved by great and
persistent effort.

Those are my thoughts on the subject.

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
> From:	owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com
> [mailto:owner-theos-talk@pippin.imagiware.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Schueler
> Sent:	Wednesday, January 13, 1999 4:52 AM
> To:	theos-talk@theosophy.com
> Subject:	Re: Theos-World Response to Rich

>I think we should distinguish between full enlightenment, and
the
extinction
>of "presence" implied by Nirvana.  We must assume, I think, that
Lord
Gautama
>was fully enlightened, yet Mahayanists (and HPB) say that he is
still
>"around."
>
>Rich

So far as I know, this is one of the basic differences between
the
Theravadin and Mahayana.  HPB was clearly in the Mahayana camp.

Jerry S.

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