Theos-Talk Archives (June 1996 Message tl00878)

>To: liesel@dreamscape.com
>Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:30:40 +0300
>From: Kay Ziatz <Kay_Ziatz@p4.f360.n5020.z2.fidonet.org>
>Reply-To: Kay Ziatz <Kay_Ziatz@p4.f360.n5020.z2.fidonet.org>
>Subject: yours of 22/VI
>
>Hello!
>
>L> But, as I said, I have a copy, & I don't use it a lot, so
>L> would be glad to mail it to you, if you give me a snail mail address I
>can
> Thank You very much, indeed. By the way, i didn't know the term "snail
>mail".
>I've studied German in school, so my vocabulary is poor. But it doesn't
>mean
>that i know German better than English. Very often i know german word but
>no similiar english one, as you see, but i can't speak & understand. I one
>knows 1000 english words, he can speak and understand, but if he knows
>even
>3000 german, he can't :)
>
>L> get through to him. It's different with letters. Many of them don't get
>It's because some people send dollars from US, so thiefs steal entire bags
>from post offices, and they dispose all the bag after removing money
>though most letters didn't contain any.
>
>L> Food packages often don't get through either.
>As far I know, food packages are completely forbidden by custom rules.
>
>L> You can send me something towards the postage, or else, something
>L> Russian in exchange, if you'd like.
>I think there'll be no use of russian books for you ;)
>Do you like music? I can send to you some cassetes with russian jazz music
>(of Stalin times, for illustration) and a music of east-european countries
>which is completely unknown in USA, i think. Russian music somtimes pene-
>trates to USA, but bulgarian, czechoslovakian and polish - don't, i think.
>I don't promise, anyway, because custom rules are very strict - so i
>couldn't
>send floppies to Ukraine.
>
>L> IU don't give our library any theosophical books. They hardly know what
>L> theosophy is.
>But what will be consequences if you try? We here have a big experience
>of propaganda, because we learned it in soviet times. Adding to catalogue
>+ to bookshelf looks most simple, but it only possible if you have an
>access to computer-based catalogue or it it isn't still computerized.
>We tried audiocassetes, too, but it affects onhy definite people which
>you have selected.
>
>L> Most of the other women on the Committee are Catholic, &
>Have you tried introduce them to "esoterical christianity", of cource
>skipping most "heretic" ideas like reincarnation? Have you read "Letters
>from a Living Dead Man" by E. Barker? I think this book is very good as
>introductory for those who haven't firm beliefs, especially children
>who may still remember their previous lives.
>
>L> having a study group for a while. That worked as long as I did
>everything.
>Here groups like yours normally fail, too. So our work is normally person-
>oriented. Most easy way is scanning & widespreading theosophical
>literature
>via networks, for people could read it personally. "Lay a book of Teaching
>on a crossroad" (Agni-yoga).  Literally, this advise sounds foolish, but
>in the age of network communications it gets a new meaning.
>
>L> The Mahatmas directing the workers' movements, sound to me like Comrade
>L> Stalin again. We say that they're busy doing their own thing, until a
>person
>It's one of their "own thing" as Bailey writes. There was a discussion
>about Nelson Mandela in theos-l, but who knows, maybe he was directed by
>the Brotherhood, like founders of USA were.
>
>L> him the right way for him. The chela still and always has choices.
>There's another type of partnership, for less advansed people.
>Here Master works with higher Self of a man, which agrees to collaborate,
>still lower person may don't know about it.
>
>L> You say a government should raise taxes & supervise security.
>I _never_ said this! I wrote _collect_, not raise. Taxes in Russia are
>so high, that if thiefs paid taxes, they would lead to bancrupcy, too :(
>Manufacturers do survive only because they hide a part of profit and
>use so called "barter" (one good for another without money).
>
>L> well, or can't make enough profit. For instance, I wish our government
>would
>L> have socialized medicine. I know some of the problems, so I would have
>the
>L> patients choose their own health provider, & create some competition,
>some
>Yes, this medicine is fittest for a _mass_. As Bailey writes, there's two
>types of deseases: deseases originated from nature of matter - syphilis,
>tuberculosis, etc. These are deseases of those, whose higher selfs do
>control
>matter still very little. These are deseases of working class, and
>medicine
>like soviet heals it satisfactory. Second type of deseases originates from
>soul control via chakras. It prevails over matter nature in intellegent
>people
>- control is strong enough but isn't still perfect. These are heart
>deseases,
>nervous deseases, etc. "Mass medicine" can't heal it. Because each desease
>is individual here, when originated from soul nature, so the personal
>doctor
>is required.
>  I should note that it isn't literally what Bailey wrote, it's my
>understan-
>ding of Bailey.
>
>L> by another", he wasn't talking about a true democracy. A true democracy
>is
>L> of the people, by the people & for the people. I'm not saying that's
>what
>His main thought was that when state persists, real democracy is
>impossible.
>His plan was destroy capitalists by state apparatus and then abolish a
>state.
>Wild folks don't have a state, so commies belived that it returns on a new
>whirl of spiral. (They, like theosophists, believe in spiral evolution).
>Stalin & Lenin were called (i don't know an english word for it) -
>Fuehrer,
>Duce. These words in Russian mean the same thing, as a tribe chief. Even
>the
>terms are returned from a stone age.
>
>L> I was thinking about what I would like to have seen changed when
>L> your country was the Soviet Union.
>This possibility was lost. You probably know what happened in Praha in
>1968.
>Their leader Dubczek tried to build "socialism with a human face".
>Hruschov
>tried reforms, too, but he made a lot of errors and was disposed.
>
>L> seen the economy run locally rather than being planned from Moscow,
>where
>Hruschov tried it. He introduced so called Sovnarhoz - council of people's
>economy. In each district there were two of them - industrial &
>agricultural
>one. There were MTS's - Motor-Tractor Stations. Little kolhoz's couldn't
>have own agricultural technique, so it was concentrated & serviced in MTS,
>used by kolhozs and then returned to the MTS. I've heard that USA borrowed
>this idea because it was very useful for little farmers. Unfortunately,
>MTS's
>were dissolved many years ago and our farmers haven't this support.
>
>L> I'm not sure about how full your cultural life was, because certain
>things,
>L> & certain peopole were always prohibited. I read Alexander Solzhenitsin
>a
>L> long time before you could. And certain composers and artists weren't
>Who _did want_ they read. My parents have read his books. His most famous
>tale "One day of Ivan Denisovich" was officially published in 60's.
>Other his books were copied illegally. I've heard it by foreign radio,
>but i've found him dull. He was popular only because he was prohibited.
>Now everyone forgot him. His ideology is very oldfashioned - it was old-
>fashioned even 30 years ago. He calls us to XIX century. Of course, many
>really good things were prohibited, too. Here i mean personally Solzheni-
>tzin.
>
>L> I didn't realize that Lenin had doner away with all art. How dreary!
>It wasn't completely destroyed. There still were "collective ruling" and
>cultural minister might think differently from Lenin. But Lenin sponcored
>movie industry. "The most important art for us now is a cinema" - he said.
>Theater was local and useless for propaganda, still one movie should be
>run all over the country. He forced the radio, too. In 1920's soviet
>electronic industry was most advansed in the world. The first _voice_
>transmission was made from USSR. There was only telegraph radio before.
>But receivers were satisfactory and german operators were highly surpri-
>zed when heard the human voice from their receivers which received only
>beep signals before.
>
>L> I haven't seen "Sledge Hammer".
>It's about a brave policeman, who never thinks but always uses a gun.
>The criminals catched him and tried to make from him a zombie.
>"They failed, because i have no subconsciousness!" - he said.
>
>L> It sounds like you think a lot of Ledbedh. Let's hope
>Not very much, but i sure that he's not corrupted.
>
>L> I ersonally think he tried his best to stop the worst of the slide USSR
>was
>In 1985 it wasn't very bad. But in 1985-90 all gold storage was spent.
>We knew about it only in 1992. And he was very illiterate man. You've
>heard his speeches in translation, but in original they were dreadful.
>We even couldn't understand, how interpreters translate it, because
>some sentences had no meaning at all. Really, he's wife ruled the country.
>
>L> You need to know how to merchandise your product.
>Unfortunately, we can produce only world-class weapon :(
>And USA, of course, interfere to find the markets.
>There are some high technologies, but they are too specific
>
>
>
>With best wishes, Konstantin.
>
>
>