Theos-Talk Archives (April 1996 Message tl01022)

Jerry S and Jerry HE--

I have been closely reading your series of comments and replies to each
other.  Yes,
I agree that as of now, this subject is a "dead horse".  But going through
the posts I
found that one of you would say, HPB says this or CWL taught that but
neither one of
you quoted the source.  Therefore, it is hard for the other participant as
well as the rest
of us to know exactly what specific source you were referring to.  It may
have been more informative if both of you would have quoted  extracts from
HPB or CWL to ILLUSTRATE  your points.  Then the other  participant and the
rest of Theos-l would have seen what you, in fact, were talking about.  I
realize that such a process might have been laborious.....

Jerry HE said in one of his posts that he believed Jerry S. misunderstood
the planes/principles  as given by HPB.  I believe Eldon in previous posts
had said something
to that effect.  Unfortunately, this has never been gone over in enough
detail to resolve
the problem. * Details are might important not only in historical studies
but even in
discussing philosophical/metaphysical subjects.*  Yet most people want to
talk only  in
vague, generalized terms........even when it comes to Theosophy.

Would the two of you be willing to start over again??!!  Probably not  :(

Daniel Caldwell




>JHE
>>>  For HPB, bodies are independent entities that
>>>come into existence either at the death of the physical body,
>>>or through an extraordinary act of will.
>etc, etc, ...
>
>	Jerry, I think I will simply agree to disagree
>at this point.  Our discussion, to date, has, if nothing
>else, illustrated my point concerning the sorry state of
>TS terminology.  There is really not a whole lot more
>to say on the subject for I am no closer to understanding
>your rationale than when I started.
>
>For Dan, and anyone else interested, I will close with
>a quick look at how I see one body--the astral:
>	The astral body is the body or vehicle that
>our consciousness focuses through while on the
>astral plane.  We can shift consciousness to this
>body via yoga or magic and make observations on
>the astral plane (psychism to say the least, but it can
>be done, more or less correctly).  When we fall asleep,
>we function in this very same body, but now it is called
>our dream body.  In both instances, the astral body is
>connected to the physical via the sutratman or Silver
>Cord.  After death, this psychomagnetic link is broken
>and we find ourselves in the same astral body, but
>now it is called the kama-rupa because we are now
>in the post-mortem state of kama-loka.  The
>astral, dream, and kama-rupa ('desire form') bodies
>are the same, but given different names according to
>how we function in them.  Although this is my own
>personal belief-system here, I know of nothing in
>the literature that would discount it or contradict it,
>and it has the benefit of linking the CWL/AB model
>with the HPB model, at least to a degree.  It also
>has the benefit of agreeing more or less with
>mainstream occultism and magic.  I can't
>help but wonder why HPB didn't just use the koshas
>(sheaths) as they are taught in Vedanta instead of
>giving us "principles" which muddied the waters
>right up to today.  Does anyone know where she
>got the word "principles" from?  What is the
>Sanskrit derivative, if there is one?
>
>	Jerry S.
>	Member, TI
>
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