Theos-Talk Archives (April 1996 Message tl00944)

At 07:29 PM 4/22/96 -0400, you wrote:

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>I was talking about Hitler, the Nazi Party, elected 1933 and its racial
>policies, which *specifically* used the idea of  "Aryan Race"
>superiority as justification for mass-murder - not only of Jews.
>Theosophists were was using almost identical terminology with a similar
>implicit flavor since before Hitler was born.  Did the Catholics, Luther
>included, or Liszt or Nietzche use this concept of Aryan supremacy in
>the same way?

Actually Alan, they did. Guido von Liszt was a Teutonic Supremacist, and his
ideas and indoctrination date back to the Vehm. He is one of the primary
inspirations of Nazi Racism. As to Nietzsche, his "Ubermench", and "Blond
Beast" theories and teaching were directly quoted by Hitler and his
polemicists very frequently. There are many people, I agree who blame
Theosophy for the Nazi Racial Theories, but I find most of those claims
specious. One those racial connections, and they are referring to the
anthropogenesis in the Secret Doctrine, were not particularly ubiquitous in
Europe during Hitler's formative years. His hatred of the Jews was
pathologically based by his view that it was a Jew who thwarted his
acceptance into the Art School in vienna. I say pathologically, because his
Grandmother was a Jewess. Now, I personally find the anthropogenesis in the
Secret Doctrine to be absolute nonsense. BUT, I do not think it really
contributed much if anything, to the holocaust. No, there it was Liszt,
Nietzsche, the Vehm, The Vril, the OTO, and other German Pan Nationalist
groups dating back into the 15 the century. I think the accusation that
Blavatsky influenced Hitler is totally untrue. That he hated theosophy and
Theosophists is historically clear. He hated anyone with occult connections
who didn't actively support him, all too many of those people died in
concentration camps. There is no actual proof that either Hitler or Goebbels
or Rosenberg were at all aware of Blavatsky and her Secret Doctrine in any
comprehensive way. They were all, however, members of the Vril.

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>My comment related to a connection between theosophical racial ideas and
>Nazi racial ideas, which was the question I hoped to see addressed.
>That the Catholic Church and its successors were Jew-haters may be true,
>but it is not directly relevant to my question.
>
>Alan
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There Alan, did that address your question more directly? I hope so, this is
a major field of interest with me and I'd be glad to discuss it further with
you at any time.

Alexis dolgorukii