Theos-Talk Archives (April 1996 Message tl00362)

At 01:13 PM 4/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Sexuality & diet *do* have to do with it. I don't think a promiscuous person
>is very mature, & spiritual people are. Part of becoming more spiritual is
>finding ways to attune yourself to finer & finer vibes. That implies not
>eating meat & exposing yourself, for example, to the fears the animals went
>through while they were being killed. That fear is still in their meat.

Liesel: I could go along with that if I believed, even slightly, that it is
the humanphysical personality which "becomes" more "spiritual" by way of
practices. But I don't! We are all essentially spirits and only inhabit
these "bodies" of ours for a little while. Nothing we do, or don't do in any
way effects that. I'm very sorry but that business about the "fear still
being in the meat" is just pure nonsense, at least as far as I'm concerned.
"It is not that which goeth into a man which defileth him, but that which
goeth out" and I think the "goeth out" part refers to actions and words
rather than the by-poducts of ingestion. As I see it, "spirit" is "spirit"
and "flesh is f;lesh" and they really don't effect one another. Now, I am
not promiscuous as you knw, but what others do is none of my business.

>
>Re "good". I see red whenever I hear that word, because when I was little &
>even when I got bigger, I always had to be a "good little girl" , whatever
>that implied in my mother's concept of it. So I never used the word in that
>sense with my kids, nor with my pets. In the present day, I allow Chouchou
>to bite, because she needs to be able to defend herself & to be able to
>express "niet", but she doesn't bite hard anymore as she did when she was a
>kitten. Just enough to let you know that she means "niet". When she
>acomplishes something like that, I do tell her "good girl", which is my
>signal of approval of her, a signal she can accept more readily than being
>petted. You see, she spent her infanthood in a ditch & who knows where
>before that, & after that, she had to submit to the painful minstrations of
>my son healing the 2 infections which were choking her, & were full of
>maggots. From those first experiences, she shrinks at first whenever you
>touch her. I accept that, but I do touch her, & she's getting used to the
>fact that I'm not the enemy every time I touch her. By the same token, the
>word signal "good" works better with her, so I use it. In other words,
>rather than trying to get her to be a "good little kitty", I try as much as
>possible to let her be her own cat, but she's also got to fit in somewhat
>with my own thing. Like this AM I slept late. It was a healing sleep after
>acupuncture & somehow she knew that, because instead of pouncing on me "I'm
>hungry, I'm hungry" at 5:30 AM, she sat quietly alongside my bed & waited
>for me to wake up at 9:30.
>
> Presuming spiritual superiority is not the mark of a spiritual person, but
>rather that of a pretender.
>
>Gurus seem to have ways of informing their chelas that they are such, only
>neither one vaunts it. Instead they more or less quietly, without much
>fanfare, try to use their skills to benefit mankind. As for instance many
>people who practice Therapeutic Touch have never even heard of Dora Kunz,
>who invented it.
>When you asked Harry van Gelder to heal someone he'd invariably say "I'll
>try", & then he'd try with everything he knew how to do, including using his
>ingenuity. He didn't always succeed, but most often, he did.
>
>Liesel
>Member TSA, TI, TS in Canada, HR
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