Theos-Talk Archives (April 1996 Message tl00209)

Alexis,

Stealing another man's wife, and fooling around is, unfortunately, not
something very out of the ordinary. I really thought you'd come up with some
thing more juicy.

Liesel
Member TI, TSA,TS in Canada, HR
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>At 03:04 PM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Boy, Alexis,
>>
>>You know all the details about everybody's sex life. I knew Leonard
>>Bernstein was gay, or bisexual, he had a wife, but I didn't know it about
>>Aaron Copland. What kind of revolutionary sex life did Wagner have? I
>>wouldn't put it past him to have done it standing on his head.
>>
>>Liesel
>>Member TI, TSA, TS in Canada, HR
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>>Liesel:
>
>I knew both Leonard and his wife Felicia (Warburg). Like so many Gay Men of
>Jewish antecedants Lenny, who was always a Gay man, had to marry to meet his
>family's expectations of him. Also when he was a young man, even a hint of
>his real nature could have destroyed his career. It's amazing how many major
>American composers of the 20th Century were Gay men. Virgil Thompson,
>Benjamin Britten, Lou Harrison. John Cage and many more. The Gay community
>tends to keep up with these things not becuase they are at all interested in
>people's sex life but because these men, and so many other men and women
>like them are our validation of usefulness to society. They are our virtual
>banners to fly proudly. Being a member of the Gay and Lesbian Minority is
>not like being Jewish or Black, while people may be racists or anti-semites,
>they do not call either blacks or jews perverted for what they are, nor are
>other minorities so discriminated against in basic human rights. It's
>difficult to get over the pariah status and "famous Gays" are a big help in
>so doing.
>
>As to Wagner, it's extremely common knowledge that he stole Hans von Bulow's
>wife Cosima Liszt von Bulow. It's also common knowledge that he was the kind
>of man whose ego was gratified by afffairs with forbidden objects. He, like
>his Father-in-Law Franz Liszt was clearly a heterosexual.
>>
>alexis>